For recording studios, radio and television stations, sound system installations, or any multi-channel audio application, Belden also offers audio snake cables up to 32 pairs. Sorry just rambling. Which is better DD, DTS or Multi-Channel? The uniformly high state of technical ability makes it harder to stand out because "everybody" can play Trane's or Sonny Rollins' solos. 39 $180.99 $180.99. a lot of stuff there that had very limited releases that is being reissued. I just got it yesterday and listened to it, in stereo, last night. Now if we consider how many of these are available in well recorded multichannel.... end quote. A stereo receiver may only have analog audio connections. Stereo sound is preferred for listening to music, in theaters, radio stations dedicated to music, FM broadcasting and Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB). (Again, I'm not even thinking about multi-channel, but just the content). You read the accounts of these events and wonder, how could they not tell?? Also, I've been on an 'old recording' kick lately, buying both a DG set of early 20th Century recordings and one from Naxos. In a two-channel system (also known as stereo), you might hear some of that sound effect, in that it might get the left and right parts right.A two-channel system can’t help with the front to back movement, however, and that’s the critical part of a surround-sound system — it surrounds you! Yet people persist in writing novels, even great ones, and using the innovations to good, creative ends. From the May 2007, Letters I quote (from me): At the time, I suggested swapping multichannel SACD for stereo. Have been stereo for years. Mono sound is preferred in radiotelephone communications, telephone networks, and radio stations dedicated to talk shows and conversations, public address system, hearing aids. When stereo hit we were in the very early years of hifi. “I have no bass without the Subwoofer”. This kind of trend is cyclic. Again, we're very much in agreement here, Scott. In multichannel we have the very nearly imbicilic "Quad" to cope with, however, which is just about the worst possible speaker arrangement you can imagine for 4 channels and remain symmetric. A 7.1ch receiver advertised as 100w per channel, well, seven channels at 100w each, this would mean 700w only for the audio, the AB amplifier class has good efficiency but is still way under 90% of class D, the classic transformer also has some loss in the magnetic field and heat, also the unit uses power for the rest of the stuff inside. Not so much. I have had fun with MC SACD in 3 channels only and had great results, but would not say that it is night and day different from 2 channel other than I can play with the depth of the center channel in MC mode. $142.39 $ 142. I had already purchased several stereo/multi-channel SACD's. I don't think I described the state of music as decrepit. I think I have sung the praises of Yuja Wang a few times here. These days the rejection rate (for me) goes way up because we are largly talking about music that has already been done very well many times. First, resisting hi-end/audiophiles are a more intractable problem today because all audiophiles were a much tinier minority in the mono days. Looking for 3-channel or 7-channel? Well sure, a few. Disney Hall is an amazing venue even if it is ugly on the outside (my opinion). No, it's a fundamental issue of acoustics in regard to a central image and spectral shaping due to the interference between the two speakers at each ear. Trouble is, they got all them chops and not much to say". These are exciting times for classical music lovers, and I haven't had this much fun buying new classical albums since I was a small kid. Here, I'm sure Stephen Mejias will be more knowledgeable, but I at least know there's good music being made, a lot of it, which makes me buy the records. So the transition to stereo recording happened pretty quickly and the market for it was eager for the change. I wondered the same thing, and got the answer from the new book 'Perfecting Sound Forever,' which is a history of recording. the vast majority, I am afraid. who are today's Beatles? Thanks. I think my remaining years will be spent recording some great performances off the internet. Actually it is more about having a center channel than surround sound speakers in my opinion. However, sound may not be output from certain speakers depending on the speaker settings. So when I get here I usually have a stack of great recordings waiting for me. My answer is to illustrate that it is more about the state of multichannel than the state of music which is problematic. We still haven't digested that, and you know, it's true that a lot of producers and such haven't digested that, either. I believe there's a remarkable surge of new talents in classical music that hasn't been seen in years, most likely decades. If we take your quote above at face value, it certainly seems that Art has, or is, reaching its historical end and innovation will stop. That said, I don't think the state of pop/rock is too bad, once you look outside the major labels' offerings. At the time, I suggested swapping multichannel SACD for stereo. Are you a multichannel amp user and you have some nice front speakers? But they won't. Dolby® ProLogic technology This consists of four discrete channels of audio (left, right, center and rear). 4.0 out of 5 stars 315. Stereo vs. surround: And the winner is... With movies and music, most people listen in stereo. After a few other “cigarette break” discussions, I told him to go buy a £200-300 simple stereo amp. So I like the Boulez/NY SACD-only release of Ravel, which puts the listener in the middle of the orchestra with instruments all around, and I also like other multichannel performances where the surround tracks have only ambience info (e.g., Abbado's Mahler DVD-V's containing multichannel DTS sound). Audio Advisor has high-end amplifiers like Bryston, Parasound, and Marantz. Even those with mch HT systems don't give a crap about compression and are mostly concerned with explosions and car crashes. the probelm with multichannel is that it is too late. In regards to that I will tell you a story. Get it as soon as Thu, Jan 7. That is not to say there is no good new music but we can't ignore that it is always weighed against the existing catalog that now has a solid fifty years behind it. "Surround" or various "Surround Modes" (Dolby ProLogic II, DTS Neo:6, etc.) Below is what I currently have: Stereo Only Getz/Gilberto - sounds great Carpenters Gold - sounds amazing Rolling Stones Let It Bleed - sounds ok The police Synchronicity - sounds like crap It may be particularly pointed for me but I do think that the maturity of recorded music itself is the greatest force working against multichannel in high end audio. So, if there’s a loud event that occurs only in the left channel, a stereo compressor will respond by applying gain reduction to left and right together, while a multi-mono compressor will only attenuate the left channel. True but they could presume an expectable standard. It would be even more specific if the work was commissioned by a particular performer or organization. For every disgusting attention-whore like Lang Lang, there's a Jonathan Biss or Sudbin or Lewis. The sparceness of pickings in Jazz and pop/rock certainly make matters worse. These are different areas on the same "layer" - the DSD layer. Center channel is NOT just for dialog on a home-theatre or home-listening space mix. I had heard about it but, somehow, I have not gotten to actually hear it. Yeah, they are great but we've already heard them. I am almost certainly not as up to date as you on what is being released these days. Audio snakes are available in riser and plenum versions for permanent install, ultra-flexible for temporary installations, or … Well, some of them are hybrid SACDs, but here's the point: you said there were 2 answers why the multichannel is the way it is today: 1. state of the music and 2. state of multichannel. But if you have heard cylinder recordings or acoustic flat discs played back through the original equipment, as I have, I think you would have to concede that performers could not "adjust the sound" of a string quartet or a soprano or even a piano to sound like a like performer. Think of multitasking and you will get the idea. And because of my line of work I often spend several months at a time away from home. Your basic home theater system offers 5.1 channels of sound through five separate speakers and one subwoofer. thats probably multichannel stereo, my personal taste is to use dolby pro logic II when listening to music, stereo is so flat and boring , unlinke multi-channel stereo, it actually derives 5 channels from music that are entirely unique and it is capable of well mimicing a large live perfomance and giving a new perception of spatiality that i simply find incredible sounding. Someone dropped the ball big time here. It's far from complete, of course, it's a 1 hour presentation.). Sometimes history does repeat itself. Do I spend the money on the amazing reissues coming from Analog Productions, Music Matters, ORG, Audio Fidelity, Classics etc etc or do I hold out for the mulitchannel releases of the Miles Davis prestige recordings? How much different is the experience of listening off a cd through a modern system, as compared to the original recording and playback chain? If that were true then we would already have the vast majority of new music recorded in multichannel. Since the recordings there has been nothing about the performacnes on their website I could find, nor any comments about a repeat airing of the concert itself. Another factor that I hate on a high-fi receiver is all the processing, the sound goes through so much crap that it’s barely sound when it hits the amplifier stage. I'd rather have the Lewis' late Beehoven sitting next to the Solomon than Brendel or Kempff. A small and cute amp to be restored. Third, there is the ubiquitous iPod generation that is as likely to grow additional ears as develop an interest in sedentary listening. It is his recording and he does not need my permission for anything. Try locating a few of the Nimbus reissues of acoustic 78's of opera arias. I skipped over a bunch of reasoning in my first note, but I agree with you - I think the performers did what they could to tuck in their sounds, and the audience - which both wanted to believe and was being encouraged to believe - went along. Thought we might discuss it some more here. IMHO, if you like it use it. So yeah, I'm spending my money on those ::gasp:: LPs that are brilliantly being remastered rather than spending any money to go multichannel. Not to mention the stack I usually bring home from the local music scene from what ever location I was working. Secondary video game system has Mch receiver. (Yes, there is a small minority of informed audiophile hidden among them.) Not sure I believe that Mch is more realistic than stereo. A stereo receiver typically has only two built-in amplifiers, which provide a two-channel speaker configuration (left and right). “But I have a £1000 amp, why should I buy something else”. 95. The amp is rated at 65w / channel. We wont need surround sound speakers. There is no sound from the subwoofer. 3,1 would make so much more sense. Another thing that always gives us a good laugh here at The Audiophile DIY, is the trend where manufacturers managed to create the impossible, when manufacturers discovered a way to generate energy out of the air, space travel should be close. It'd be a shame if one misses out on these recordings because of a certain entrenched thinking. (For example, in terms of marketshare, MP3 and AAC dominate the personal audio market, though many other formats are comparably well suited to fill this role from a purely technical standpoint.) I think that lps can as well, but that depends up your TT, cart, and phono stage. This is another problem with the music industry as a whole. Scott, I actually agree with most of what you said in your post, but can't go with your sentiment on the quoted above. I just wanted to put that on your radar because it is truly a great album, superbly recorded. I don't see Springsteen doing his next album in multichannel. you would be assuming right. Stereo which is similar (the same?) And we started debating music, I advised him on some tracks he was unaware of and so on. All channel stereo – some receivers offer and all channel stereo mode. my cup runneth over. At some point, I asked him how he listens to music only, and he said he runs to whole 7.1 setups. Multi-channel amps are a form of “Jack of all trades and master of nothing”. Can you imagine a pianist like Pierre Laurent Aimard, who came out specializing in Messiaen & Ligeti and now traversing through Bach, Beethoven, et al., thriving in the 80s? But there are two forces working against multichannel for me as an audiophile. All of those venues are acoustically quite different from those of a listening room or living room in a modern home. despite that guy's protests stereo was embraced by the recording industry and completely took over in a decade. Surround sound consists of multi-channel audio. If you want to transmit top-quality audio between two devices, then picking optical cables will be a smart move. I give an example. Hearing more of the room sound isn't really hearing more of the music. Through all this we had stereo and it’s hard to imagine the music and movie industries would sound like without it. only use the rear channels for ambient sounds and … Stereo headphones are the most common type of headphones around. The quality and investment in the stereo setup is higher than the multi channel but I think that reflects the quantities of music that I have multi-channel vs. stereo. OMG. I think your comments re: the jazz scene rings true for me, sadly enough; even though I treasure some jazz recordings & artists (Moran, Frisell, etc. Not much has changed." As to side and back, there are reasons to have each of side and back speakers, due to HRTF's (head related transfer functions). It is an SACD surround disc. They will continue sound fine in stereo but there's every reason that all new recordings should take advantage of the most advanced technology. the only instance in which I could see any benefit--having the ambience(and ambience only) coming from the rear channels. Mono is the term used to describe sound that is only from one channel while stereo uses 2 or more channels to provide an experience much like being in the same room where the sound was created. Second, the mass market is not interested in any of this. The only disc that has bothered me that MC SACD fixed was Warren Bernhardt's Ameilia's Song with his piano hard right channel rather than the typical center stage for the main artist. Wireless Phone Accessory $59.95 $ 59. I have no desire to sit in the middle of a band with musicians all around me. When I was much younger I used to record much off FM. We had the same thing with rock/pop music. As this article is written on the train, on my way to work, on the workbench home awaits a Pioneer SA-720 blue series amp. I can't do without Pollini's late sonatas, but I'd much rather have Lewis or Schiff's account of the late sonatas than some of the more 'classic' recordings by the more lionized pianists, i.e. Well, multi-channel stereo provides the full left and right stereo audio through both the front & rear speaker channels. I started to tell him to try things, turn off the satellites, turn off the subwoofer and his reply fired me up. Scott and selfdivider, check out James Hunter. Have only played it as stereo. Contrary to what you may believe, certain genres which you describe as being in decrepit shape are actually thriving in terms of content. It's true that there are literally hundreds of Beethoven sonata recordings and one can easily be content with listening to Solomon or Kempff or Schnabel or Brendel or Backhaus, etc etc. I'm no expert in fiction (nor jazz nor anything else, for that matter) but I think it's safe to say most of the formal innovations in the novel have taken place. I was a Friday and he had the weekend to play with it. He got a brand-new Marantz amp, discounted as open box, I believe it was £160 out of £300. I'd much rather have a copy of that than any of the Horowitz's 'legendary' accounts. Because of the increase, you don't get .400 hitters and you don't get Coltranes. Do you wonder why a valve amp with a few hand-soldered parts inside wipes the floor with a state of the art, smart amplifier with 3 CPU’s inside !? there are no standards in place, as such no quality control== bad format. It has already happened in home theater because both 5.1 and home theater have come into their own around the same time. I suspect multichannel in high end audio will take off like direct to disc recordings did in the 70s. Composers rarely if ever wrote an exact acoustic into their music.thanksbarondla. An opera company....................... (Ever notice how strange any of these sound in open air?) On too many occasions I’ve seen how a simple stereo 2.0 amp will run circles around an expensive multichannel amp. He and Tom Jung left it as it was. But we don't do we? As I was discovering classical music, that was the stuff I was mostly getting. The surround sound speakers proper are less of a big deal that one may think and will be less and less of a deal in the future as more processing will take over. Now we have this huge legacy of great recordings of great music that don't translate into multichannel. This was and is a time when MP3 quality is good enough, because the alternative of NOT having the music at all, is not good. Maybe it will happen, but months have gone by from the original performance. I have much music on cassettes that I like and listen to on occasion, but what gets me to stop is the ill defined central images due to phasing problems on tape at 1/7/8 and the lack of true clarity. I even got a nice email from Warren B. in that it is how it was recorded in the studio. I will not goo to deep and try to give a surface explanation that makes sense. The original iteration of mono audio is a single-channel recording that is output through a single speaker. To put it in an area I know a little about, I just finished Michael Harvey's "The Fifth Floor" without once feeling like I was reading an echo of Chandler or Ross McDonald, or having that "it's all been done before, only better" feeling. So I've concluded that if a multichannel version adds to my involvement in the music, I don't care if it's realistic. (My screen name does not refer to surround sound, it has to do with my location) The most convincing demo I've heard was at the Stereophile show in NYC a few years ago; AT&T had a seven mike, five speaker (all the same) technique with an acapella group from Cleveland I think. (It is for cinema, for reasons related to the annoying acoustics of presenting something in a room that size and trying to avoid pulling the audience out of the picture. Because I have a multi-channel sequence, I'm outputting eight different channels, I can now route each channel to … Seeing that you are into 60s 70s psych rock, & pop, etc., have you had a chance to listen to the Classic Record's Big Star offerings? Here in L.A. live classical music is off the map. It may be heresy to say it, but I could gather 20 albums at random from a few labels and I'd bet they would come off at least as well as, say, 15 typical Blue Note or Riverside albums from the mid-50s. And we won't. LOL. Steinburg and Snow, then 1939, Fletcher and Snow, showed that a center channel is essential to getting the front soundstage right. One is the state of music and the other is the state of multichannel. The work won the Pulitzer in 2008 and a CD has just been released. Wide sweet spot, wonderfully realistic and you would swear that the two rear speakers weren't even on-the effect was too subtle to pinpoint, but absolutely effective. But can't agree with your comments about the classical music scene at all. DVD-Audio, SACD discs). That said, a lot of excellent jazz is being produced. I love his piano playing. Panning should never EVER result in any signal coming from only 1 speaker in a multichannel recording. I do believe I went on a bit of a rant about how good we have it here in L.A. with the live classical music scene. Like stereo, like electronic (as opposed to acoustic) reproduction, etc. quote:There was an explosion of talent and an explosion of great music being recorded. I was actually surprised when I saw him carrying a box to his car. I'll be rockin out to that tonight (after I get back from the Godzilla movie at the American Cinematheque) funny thing about all this. I certainly don't think classical music is in a decrepit state these days. Power is not linear, one channel needs some juice for a bass passage, another has some high kick to amplify and each creates a draw on the power supply and the rest of the channels will not be able to enjoy the full power and run on an exhausted transformer. Our first shot at true portablity. Without MCSACD I could not have adjusted this great disc to my liking. For me, new releases that warrent a purchase are few and far between. This is part of what I mean when I say that most multichannel production is, err, primitive. No. And as someone who claims that classical music is only '4th or 5th' favorite genre and is even cognizant of who Yuja Wang is, you're definitely an atypical music lover. Home theater receivers are distinguished from two-channel (stereo receivers) by having additional amplifier channels to support movie theater sound (e.g. But if you want to sound like you're in a real by (*&(* concert hall, there's little like GOOD multichannel. There was no intention on my buddies or my part to agree with Wynton. Still, even in my limited, small experience of listening, I can't do without Uchida's recent Hammerklavier or some of Paul Lewis's late sonatas. For the 3 channel recommenders, wasn't their issue that in that day most formats other than 30ips tape had wandering central images, ie cassette were horrible for this. The volume fader and my panners look exactly the same as they did in the stereo master track, but what's changed is this item underneath of the panners, and this is called my direct output assignment. after reading so much about the purported benefits of the 'black-less' records... this doesn't bode well for those clarity pressings, as this was my 1st experience w/ colorless vinyl... (sorry for taking this discussion off tangent, but Buddha? Classical is a distant 4th or 5th on my list of favorite genres. jazz, classical and world music we have two issues at work for the music lover. If you are using a multichannel setup then we recommend choosing for multichannel versions where available so you can hear the beautiful music in surround multichannel. I doubt that Mr. Fremmer has an issue with this. What is different? They now have a lot of technology, Bluetooth, wifi, streaming and are designed for movies, surround, streaming and functionality but music needs TWO channels, music is recorded stereo (most of the times). Gotta give them a spin tonight. DTI MA1600.4 1600 Watts 4-Channel Car Audio Stereo Amp Mosfet Power Multi Channel Bridgeable Amplifier with Bass Remote Control Included. There is so much more available now in jazz, (for an endangered art form, a whole lot of albums are being made) and all of them are at least decent, and mostly better. NO RESPONSE. For the longest time I've had Pioneer Elite receivers which have Ext. They are excellent pieces and a great find for the classical music world. That is whay you can't swap them out. FREE Shipping. well, nobody. So to my mind, we're at a different place, historically, in jazz. The audience was persuaded not to detect the differences of live versus recorded/piped in sound for other reasons that were psychological and not auditory. Quote: I wondered the same thing, and got the answer from the new book 'Perfecting Sound Forever,' which is a history of recording. I don't think I agree. It's hard enough to get today's recording artists to just back off on the compression. Wireless Bluetooth Home Stereo Amplifier - Hybrid Multi-Channel 3000 Watt Power Amplifier Home Audio Receiver System w/AM/FM Radio, MP3/USB,AUX,RCA Karaoke Mic in - Rack Mount, Remote - Pyle P3301BAT. Grrr, (no, not at you, Jim) that's a classic example of how not to make a multichannel recording. It is inevitable that as the body increases so the bar goes higher for me to wish to buy yet another recording of some work that I already own (in some cases in multiples). 3.2 out of 5 stars 110. ). But we're not still listening to gramophones done via acoustic recording. See www.aes.org/sections/pnw/ppt.htm for a deck that examines some of the issues. "The stereo layer is separate from the multi-channel layer" No. This means 130w of power for audio and considering efficiency and the rest of the amp, I would expect about 250W power draw, on the back is stated 340W … you get the point. Mixes that put the trombones in your behind, well, yeah, I am quite sympathetic with the idea that's bad. What we think is that talent as far as technical ability, is all over the place. Just as did stereo and hifi. " There is, however, scarce little GOOD multichannel, (*&(*&nabit. She's pretty special, worth watching out for. A few months back there were a World Premier and 2 U.S. Premiers of three lost Beethoven Piano Trios. Perhaps you could comment on the surround part of the recording if you hear it. Another example is Tchaikovsky's 1st Concerto, perhaps the most famous of all piano concertos. Yup, Fletcher & Snow, Paul Klipsch, Bell Labs all saw the center as essential. then i keep getting these amazing reissues from Analog Productions and Music Matters of the great Blue Note catalog. Different surround sound types encode and decode this audio differently. What makes good multichannel is a bit more than I want to go into at 11:56 PM, though. 2ch Stereo (2CH STEREO): The receiver outputs the sound from the front left/right speakers only. This was interesting in the Stereophile habits thread. I switched my center and right audio cables, moving Warren to the middle and the bass player to the right, as now all was to MY liking. I believe I said "There certainly are a few very exciting new artists out there." The core features of a stereo receiver differ from a home theater receiver in two ways. Watch a sample on u-tube. 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